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It’s not often that a change in the world of travel rewards makes headlines in the mainstream media, but it’s not surprising since, unfortunately, almost everyone still thinks that their spending is what will earn them points quickly. That’s obviously not the case, but it doesn’t mean that Empire (Sobeys and other banners) moving from AIR MILES to Scene+ isn’t of interest.

Here are the details… including the 2 potentially very positive aspects of this change, which actually have absolutely nothing to do with the Scene+ program itself.

By the way, the change will take place by “early 2023” at Sobeys and Voilà by Sobeys (grocery delivery service that you can try for less with the current discount in the Amex Offers program) and other Empire banners (Safeway, Foodland, Foodland & Participating Co-ops, FreshCo, Chalo! FreshCo, Thrifty Foods, IGA, IGA Extra, Les Marchés Tradition, Rachelle Béry, Lawtons Drugs, Needs Convenience, and the pharmacy and liquor divisions of these banners) will also be moving to Scene+ starting in August 2022 in Atlantic Canada.

 

Rewards at Sobeys and grocery stores

We can’t be serious in our mission to help you travel more for less if we don’t start with a very valuable sidenote.

The very best tip for your grocery shopping if you want to maximize your rewards is certainly not the 1 AIR MILES reward mile per $20 that earns you only an unbelievably terrible ≈ 0.525% back.

No, it’s using the American Express Cobalt Card, which allows you to earn:

  • ≈ 7.5% in Aeroplan points (or more; the value of Aeroplan points is literally unlimited
  • 5% in travel credit or cash back (minimum value if you want it simple)

That’s on top of the rewards earned from the grocery store directly, obviously.

This makes it extremely valuable to buy groceries at grocery stores that accept Amex cards. We’re talking about 2X to 7X more valuable, which is pretty substantial!

The card that the vast majority of people use for groceries gives maybe 3%, 2%, or 1% (and let’s not even mention people who throw money out the window by paying with debit, and there’s still a lot of them, unfortunately 😬). That’s so much less!

The American Express Cobalt Card really is by far the best tool for earning faster. It’s flat out the best card overall among the ≈ 200 Canadian cards.

American Express Cobalt® Card
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American Express Cobalt® Card
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of Welcome Bonus (net value)
≈ $
minimum income
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Rewards: ≈ $900*
Card Fee: $156

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To give a specific example, with just $1,200 in grocery store purchases, I earn a reward flight (short distance, obviously) with Aeroplan or Avios with my American Express Cobalt Card, my favorite of my many cards. Even with a card that gives 2%, most people would only get a $24 reward by using a normal card, and by still unfortunately ignoring airline rewards programs that offer much more value.

With only $833 in groceries, I get a free night in several great destinations like Bali, if you prefer hotels. Much better than getting $16 cash back (2%) as most people get, right? 

Even if you want a simple travel credit that applies to any travel expense or even cash back, $1,000 worth of groceries will give you $50 instead of just $20 or $10. 

Not to mention you also earn 5X the points on gas, Amazon, clothing, hardware, Netflix, etc. just by buying gift cards at the grocery store (and the 5X points rate also applies to restaurants and food delivery services in addition to grocery stores).

And these 3 examples don’t even take into consideration the current American Express Cobalt Card welcome bonus which gives you, for up to 12 months, another 2,500 points per month during which you spend at least 500$ with your card (so the equivalent of ≈ 15% or minimum 10% on 500$ of groceries per month).

That earn rate is simply phenomenal!

 

The most important thing about rewards

For those who don’t want to switch cards to more than double the free travel they get with the American Express Cobalt Card, it may seem like a big deal that Sobeys is switching from the AIR MILES rewards program to the Scene+ rewards program.

But it doesn’t change much, because it’s obviously not with regular purchases that you earn rewards quickly, but rather with welcome bonuses. 

This is the most basic of all basics in the world of travel rewards, but unfortunately, there are still plenty of people who think earning 1 AIR MILES rewards mile when spending $20 is going to give them worthwhile rewards.

By comparison, the BMO AIR MILES World Elite MasterCard gives 2,325 miles as a welcome bonus and the American Express AIR MILES Platinum Credit Card gives 2,300 miles (and these are these cards’ worst welcome bonuses ever or just about): welcome bonuses are the key

I’ll clarify even more since this is literally THE most important thing to understand: you have to spend $46,000 on groceries at Sobeys to collect 2,300 AIR MILES rewards miles in the slow and terrible way everyone uses… Instead, you can just apply for a card and get those same 2,300 miles (unlocking the welcome bonus only requires spending $1,500, which is 30 times faster)! 

If you remember one thing, it’s that EVERYONE who earns a lot of points does so with welcome bonuses, not with their regular purchases! Always.

 

The Scene+ program

But hey, even though it’s awfully slow, grocery store rewards are still free rewards. You have to take them too, of course!

Basically, the Scene+ program is better than AIR MILES for many people, because each point is always worth 1¢ for travel, it’s a simple conversion with a round number. We know people like it when it’s simple!

And Scene+ points can be used to erase any travel expense, no matter what it is and no matter which website you book on. At least when you’re a Scotiabank customer (I’ll come back to that below, but you can even be a customer for free with the Scotia SCENE Visa Card with no annual fee, but it gives you just $50 free instead of $250). Or Scene+ points have a fixed value through the Scotia travel portal directly.

It’s very flexible and simple.

(You can use Scene+ points for other things, but like all rewards programs, you get the most value by using them for travel. And we’re a site whose mission is to help you travel more for less, so we won’t tell you to waste points on other useless stuff!)

We’ll be prioritizing Scene+ for our next ultimate rewards program guide very soon (after the Aeroplan one coming this weekend and the ones already published on HSBC Rewards, Avios, and Marriott Bonvoy).

 

Positive or negative change for earning?

We’ll have to see what the earn rate at Sobeys will be with the Scene+ program; it’s obviously impossible to assess whether or not the change is positive without this information. The details have not been released yet.

That’s another very basic thing that many don’t understand: you absolutely need to know the earn rates to compare rewards amongst each other (and don’t forget that each type of reward has a different value too, so 1 AIR MILES mile ≠ 1 Scene+ point)!

As mentioned, the current earn rate at Sobeys is 1 AIR MILES reward mile per $20. 

That’s ≈ 0.525% reward because most people use AIR MILES the way they’re less valuable, as AIR MILES “Cash” miles, which are worth 10.5¢ per AIR MILES rewards mile (because 95 AIR MILES give $10 off that way).

With the change, the base earn rate at Sobeys could:

  • drop to 0%
  • drop slightly to 0.5%
  • almost double to 1%

Let’s just say that whether or not the change is good really depends on this data! It can change from 100% less than now to ≈ 80% more than now!

But it’s not looking great, at least based on my interpretation. The Scene+ website about the Sobeys addition says that customers will earn points “through weekly flyers and everyday product offers in-store and online,” not on all purchases as is the case now with AIR MILES.

FAQ from the announcement (image credit: Scene+)

 

Why could the base earn rate go to 0%? The major national competitor (and the only one — Metro is only in Ontario and Québec) to Empire/Sobeys is Loblaw. Their PC Optimum program earns 0 points per dollar at the grocery store; you only earn on specific promos and products.

(Of course Sobeys also currently has promos and bonuses on specific products and maybe they will become better… Again, we’ll have to see that to judge the change to Scene+ as a whole. But since Empire/Sobeys will become co-owners of Scene+, they will have access to more data to customize the offers).

Otherwise, since Scene+ points are worth 1¢ per point, it would be easy for Sobeys to give 1 Scene+ point for every $2 in purchases to keep the rewards rate almost equal to the current one.

Finally, the only other major competitor to Empire/Sobeys is Metro. In Ontario, Metro uses AIR MILES and gives the same ≈ 0.525% back. In Québec, the metro & moi in-house program essentially gives 0.8% back as a base earn rate.

So maybe Sobeys could give 1 point per dollar and almost double the reward rate to 1% to beat Metro! That would be surprising, but it’s not impossible.

It could be done if they want to innovate and really differentiate themselves in the market with their rewards program. Making such a big change from AIR MILES to Scene+ by taking a stake in the Scene+ company does show that they see rewards as a major lever, but they might want to prefer using innovative offers rather than a base earn rate!

(And as a disclaimer, the strategic consulting firm I worked for before starting Flytrippers had Empire/Sobeys as a major client. And while I obviously can’t say anything proprietary, I think it’s generic enough to at least say that their management team seemed pretty innovative. But it’s been 6 years!)

Just the fact that they’re almost bringing the rewards program in-house (not fully, but at least they now own 1/3 of it) allows for slightly larger financial margins than having to give a significant portion of sales to AIR MILES, which is a separate company.

To be continued. 

But anyway, I do want to repeat that this is all extremely insignificant in the grand scheme of things in the travel rewards world. Obviously, earning 0.5% or even 1% in rewards at Sobeys won’t make you’ll travel more, but welcome bonuses will.

 

The most important potentially positive point

Honestly, the most interesting thing about the change announced by Sobeys is that it may finally lead to American Express cards being accepted at all Empire brands (currently, only certain banners accept them, with the most notable gap being in Québec where IGA doesn’t accept Amex cards).

The thing is, the best card to earn Scene+ points, especially on groceries, is the Scotiabank Gold American Express Card. Scotiabank owned 50% of the Scene+ program with Cineplex before this announcement, now it’s 33%.

(Scotiabank is the only bank that issues cards using the American Express network, other than the American Express Bank itself, of course!)

The Scotiabank Gold Amex Card (increased welcome bonus of $250 currently) allows you to earn 5% back on groceries. It’s the 2nd best card in Canada for groceries.

Starting October 1, it will earn 6% only at Empire grocery stores, this was just announced today! So it will be better than the Amex Cobalt Card for simple travel credits, but not if you use your Amex points for airline rewards obviously. This news proves my point from this section written before the I knew about the new 6X earn rate; it just makes no sense that some Empire brands don’t accept that card!

But if nothing changes, the best Scene+ credit card on groceries could not be used in many Scene+ partner grocery stores (if many Empire locations continue to not accept Amex cards).

It doesn’t make sense, especially knowing the business model of rewards programs: credit cards are the most valuable and important component.

The Scene+ card that stands out for groceries needs to be accepted in grocery stores that use Scene+ as a rewards program, it just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

So I think it’s very likely that all Empire banners will join others as grocery stores that accept American Express cards.

As I said, this is especially an issue in Québec. A contact who is an IGA franchisee confirmed to me that their payment terminal change in April 2021 means all merchants have the option and technical capabilities to accept Amex cards (which is what caused several franchisees to start accepting them individually on their own at that point despite the chain as a whole not accepting them, including this contact who is a travel rewards enthusiast and wanted to use his Amex Cobalt Card in his store 😆).

At least all Sobeys and Safeway locations, Empire’s 2 “full-service” brands, already accept Amex cards themselves.

Funny personal sidenote since I just talked about it, it’s nothing confidential, and it’s related to travel: a meeting about Sobeys’ acquisition of Safeway when I was a consultant happens to be when I took my most expensive flight ever! A nice $2,000 roundtrip flight from Québec City to Edmonton. That breaks my heart.

It’s crazy how expensive last-minute flights are and we always tell you: it’s normal because when you buy a last-minute flight, it’s because you’re in a bind and airlines will charge a lot for that! It’s a good thing I wasn’t the one paying for it, because $2,000 is literally more than the total for 5 of my transcontinental roundtrip flights thanks to the deals we spot: Southeast Asia ($500), China ($500), South Africa ($550), Sweden ($250), and France ($300).

 

The other potentially positive point

Finally, the other good thing is that Empire/Sobeys’ change may force AIR MILES to improve. Increased competition can do that!

But it can also kill the program and make it disappear completely. One less competitor wouldn’t be so good.

The AIR MILES program is already pretty terrible frankly, at least since the changes to airline rewards last year. So maybe it will just continue its quiet decline.

By the way, Staples has also announced that they are leaving AIR MILES, so the program doesn’t seem to be going in the right direction, but we’ll keep an eye on it. 

The ultimate guide to the AIR MILES program is coming soon too, if you’re still interested.

 

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Summary

Sobeys (just like other Empire banners) is switching from AIR MILES to Scene+, but it’s not really a big deal if you understand how travel rewards work: it’s certainly not with your regular purchases that you’re going to earn many points!

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Andrew D'Amours

Andrew is the co-founder of Flytrippers. He is passionate about traveling the world but also, as a former management consultant, about the travel industry itself. He shares his experiences to help you save money on travel. As a very cost-conscious traveler, he loves finding deals and getting free travel thanks to travel rewards points... to help him visit every country in the world (current count: 64/193 Countries, 47/50 US States & 9/10 Canadian Provinces).

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